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Вебер умер, а я жив. Понимаю то, что под этим понимают сейчас

Да и не спешили бы Вы записывать Вебера себе.

capitalism

Economic system characterized by the following: private property ownership exists; individuals and companies are allowed to compete for their own economic gain; and free market forces determine the prices of goods and services. Such a system is based on the premise of separating the state and business activities. Capitalists believe that markets are efficient and should thus function without interference, and the role of the state is to regulate and protect.

http://www.investorwords.com/713/capitalism.html

Capitalism has been defined in various ways (see q:Capitalism). In common usage it refers to an economic system in which all or most of the means of production are privately owned and operated (commonly for profit), and where investments, production, distribution, income, and prices are determined largely through the operation of a "free market" rather than by centralized state control (as in a command economy). Capitalism contrasts with socialism where the means of production are owned by the state or by the community in collective, contrasts with feudalism where land may be privately operated but is owned by the state and held in fee, and contrasts with fascism where statist control over the means of production is exercised while maintaining a facade of de jure private ownership. All modern Western economies contain some degree of capitalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

И в особенности вот это:

Capitalism generally refers to

a combination of economic practices that became institutionalized in Europe between the 16th and 19th centuries, especially involving the right of individuals and groups of individuals acting as "legal persons" (or corporations) to buy and sell capital goods such as land, labor, and money (see finance and credit), in a free market (see trade), and relying on the enforcement by the state of private property rights rather than feudal obligations.
competing theories that developed in the 19th century, in the context of the industrial revolution, and 20th century, in the context of the Cold War, meant to justify the private ownership of capital, to explain the operation of such markets, and to guide the application or elimination of government regulation of property and markets. (See economics, political economy, laissez-faire)
a belief in the advantages of such practices.

http://dictionary.laborlawtalk.com/index.php (и поиск по слову)

То есть капитализм - это рыночная экономика, это рынок, это рыночное общество (market society), когда появляются рынки ресурсов, благ, денег и начинают играть доминирующую роль в обществе. Главное - капитализм - индустриальное общество, характеризующееся вышеупомянутыми признаками.

Вам ли не знать этого?!

>>Потому что оно произошло позже. Капитализм возник в XVI-XIX вв.
>по мнению Вебера, который в данном вопросе куда авторитетнее вас, первые формы кап. производства возникли задолго до реформации.

Что будем считать первыми формами? Рынок и деньги были и в Античности, что с того? Важно то, что капитализм сложился в XIX веке.

> Так что вы банально подгоняете факты под ваши выводы.

Фактов не существует вне теории.