От Владимир(Н-ск)
К Лилия
Дата 21.10.2001 15:57:24
Рубрики Россия-СССР; История; Либерализм; Модернизация; Катастрофа; ...

Свобода свободе рознь. Для либерала это просто право торговать. (-)
От Александр
К Владимир(Н-ск) (21.10.2001 15:57:24)
Дата 21.10.2001 22:04:43

Для либерала свобода - это право убивать бедных.

путем отключения тепла и света, закрытия предприятий, сгона с земли, распродажи природных ресурсов за рубеж. Словом, свобода от любви к ближнему.

Интересно почему бедные должны жертвовать своими жизнями во имя свободы богатых их убивать.
От Владимир(Н-ск)
К Александр (21.10.2001 22:04:43)
Дата 22.10.2001 09:04:34

Лес рубят - щепки летят. Он не садист. Ему даже жалко жертвы. Соц.дарвинизм. (-)
От Александр
К Владимир(Н-ск) (22.10.2001 09:04:34)
Дата 22.10.2001 10:21:19

Это Вы, батенька в тяжкий антропоморфизм впали.

Читайте Вебера.
Извиняйте, переводить не буду. Спать пора.

Every purely emotional, that is not rationally motivated, personal relation of man to man easily fell in the Puritan, as in every ascetic ethic under the suspicion of idolatry of the flesh. In addition to what has already been said, this is clearly enough shown for the case of friendship by the following warning: "It is an irrational act and not fit for a rational creature to love any one farther than reason will allow us. . . . It very often taketh up men's minds so as to hinder their love of God" (Baxter, Christian Directory, IV, p. 253). We shall meet such arguments again and again.
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the duty to love one's neighbour is satisfied by fulfilling God's commandments to increase His glory. The neighbour thereby receives all that is due him, and anything further is God's affair. Humanity in relation to one's neighbour has, so to speak, died out. That is indicated by the most various circumstances.

Thus, to mention a remnant of that atmosphere, in the field of charity of the Reformed Church, which in certain respects is justly famous, the Amsterdam orphans, with (in the twentieth century!) their coats and trousers divided vertically into a black and a red, or a red and a green half, a sort of fool's costume, and brought in parade formation to church, formed, for the feelings of the past, a highly uplifting spectacle. It served the glory of God precisely to the extent that all personal and human feelings were necessarily
insulted by it.
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/moriyuki/abukuma/weber/world/ethic/pro_eth_note_4.html

For, as is often pointed out in the Puritan literature, God never commanded "love thy neighbour more than thyself" but only as thyself. Hence self-regard is also it duty. For instance, a man who can make better use of his possessions, to the greater glory of God, than his neighbour, is not obliged by the duty of brotherly love to part with them.
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/moriyuki/abukuma/weber/world/ethic/pro_eth_note_5.html
От Владимир(Н-ск)
К Александр (22.10.2001 10:21:19)
Дата 22.10.2001 14:12:52

Что за грех, антропоморфизм? и, насколько я понял, Вебер за соц.дарвинизм (-)
От Владимир(Н-ск)
К Владимир(Н-ск) (22.10.2001 14:12:52)
Дата 22.10.2001 18:27:00

Шутка дошла до мозга. Однако разумных либералов очень мало.

По моим впечатлениям многие т.н. либералы не понимают, что такое либерализм есть на самом деле... А тех, кто понимает - раз, два и обчелся... Хайек, пожалуй, самый разумный и последовательный идеолог либерализма... Но с ним, похоже, мало кто из либералов знаком... даже поверхностно... :-(