От alex~1
К C.КАРА-МУРЗА
Дата 03.01.2005 21:13:07
Рубрики Россия-СССР;

Re: Интересная статья

С прошедшими праздниками!

По поводу КАМАЗ'а и американских слушаний в Сенате (или где там) с США.
Я от автомобильных дел отошел давно, но, насколько я знаю, завод строили американцы - руководство было советское.

Я постараюсь в течение нескольких дней собрать информацию по этому поводу. Мой отец знает многих интересных людей из автомобильной промышленности СССР, некоторые еще живы, попробую что-нибудь найти.


От alex~1
К alex~1 (03.01.2005 21:13:07)
Дата 03.01.2005 22:41:31

Re: Интересная статья

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/gary_allen_rocker/ch9-11.html

The first of the giant projects we are inflating our currency to build on credit for our Bolshevik brothers is he Kama River factory, which is to be the largest producer of trucks in the world. But please don't mention hat trucks are the backbone of modern military operations, and that during open warfare truck factories re quickly converted to build tanks. If you do so, Liberals will look at you as if you have four heads and nine eyes.

The Kama River factory will produce 150,000 heavy rucks and 150,000 heavy engines per year. This output is greater than the combined production of such trucks by all factories in the United States. The complex is being built by a division of the Pullman Company at a cost of two million [явная опечатка - billion - Alex_1] dollars. The Soviets are going to put up ten % of the cash for the project, while David Rockefeller's Chase Manhattan Bank and the Export-Import Bank will each advance forty-five %.

От Александр
К alex~1 (03.01.2005 22:41:31)
Дата 04.01.2005 01:08:36

Ре: Интересная статья

>Тхе Кама Ривер фацторы вилл продуце 150,000 хеавы руцкс анд 150,000 хеавы енгинес пер ыеар. Тхис оутпут ис греатер тхан тхе цомбинед продуцтион оф суч труцкс бы алл фацториес ин тхе Унитед Статес.

В переводе на Русский, мошность одного лишь КАМАЗа превоcxодит весь выпуск тяжелых грузовиков в США. Что доказывает превоcxодство советской системы управления, ее бОльшую чем у США способность концентрировать ресурсы на ключевых направлениях, обеспечивая в течении нескольких лет прорыв на передовые позиции в мире.

Заметим что ни СШA, ни Индии, ни Китаю никто не запрешал сотрудничать с "отделением Пуллман Kомпани", банком Рокфеллера и т.п. Просто ни одна из этих стран не имела организационных способностей сравнимым с таковыми СССР. И даже техническая возможность создания такого производства, очевидно имевшаяся у Пуллман Цомпани не могла быть реализована в самих США из-за непреодолимых дефектов организационных структур.

Забавно однако как злобствуют наши друзья-марксисты, как кидают кал в СССР и ученого посмевшего сказать слово в его зашиту. Хотя даже по официальной марксистской легенде строительство таких заводов-гигантов стало возможным благодаря приведению ПО в соответствие с уровнем развития ПС. Видимо и эта легенда была втягость марксистствуюшим патриотам Запада.
От Кудинов Игорь
К Александр (04.01.2005 01:08:36)
Дата 04.01.2005 01:57:42

метода_Гека_Финна_для_поиска_шариков

"брат, найди брата". Один ученый нашел другого ученого. Это хорошо. Это
маркер.
> Забавно однако как злобствуют наши друзья-марксисты, как кидают кал в СССР и ученого посмевшего сказать слово в его зашиту.
От Кудинов Игорь
К alex~1 (03.01.2005 22:41:31)
Дата 03.01.2005 23:55:31

да_все_ерунда,

сплошная наглая манипуляция, за что ни возьмись, - Куракин пишет про
сделку "газ-трубы", и тут же подменяет трубы на турбины. А то что трубы
большого диаметра нам стали продавать немцы, маннесман, если не путаю,
несмотря на окрики Александровых земляков - про это ни гу-гу.

А уж c компьютерами HP, которые "хуже китайских", ... услужливый дурак
опаснее врага, а вовсе не
>Демон, водящий всех нас за нос и искажающий адекватное видение мира,
сидит в ......
От alex~1
К alex~1 (03.01.2005 21:13:07)
Дата 03.01.2005 22:37:03

Re: Интересная статья

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/index.jsp?section=papers&code=89-D_03

Those of you who remember the debate over the Kama River truck plant in the 1970's -- the American-supplied factory that produced vehicles used by the Soviet military to invade Afghanistan in 1979 -- will appreciate the strategic potential of this joint venture to enhance the productivity of a crucial Soviet industry.

От alex~1
К alex~1 (03.01.2005 21:13:07)
Дата 03.01.2005 22:33:55

Re: Интересная статья

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/26/15657.shtml

On Christmas Day, 1979, the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan with trucks and armored personnel carriers built at the colossal Kama River "truck" plant. A dozen American firms, including Ford Motor Company, Glidden Machine & Tool Company, Gulf and Western Industries, Honeywell, the Swindell-Dressler Company, Warner & Swazey, the Ingersoll Milling Machine Company and the E.W. Bliss Company, were authorized by the U.S. government to supply the Soviets with technology and equipment needed to build and operate the plant.

U.S. officials responsible for this fiasco? Henry Kissinger, national security adviser to Nixon; George Shultz, then Nixon's treasury secretary, later Ronald Reagan's secretary of state; and William J. Casey, then head of the Export-Import Bank, which provided $153 million. Financing was arranged by David Rockefeller's Chase Manhattan Bank. Kissinger, Shultz, Casey and Rockefeller were all members of the Council on Foreign Relations. (2)

От alex~1
К alex~1 (03.01.2005 21:13:07)
Дата 03.01.2005 22:31:34

Re: Интересная статья

http://mailman.efn.org/pipermail/vwar/2004-November/007602.html

At 10:32 PM 11/11/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Well said Tim but it wasn't LBJ that turned the HCM Trail into a
>highway, it was Ford Motor Company who built the KAMA River truck plant
>in Russia where they made the trucks that hauled NVA supplies down the
>trail/highway.
>
>Bill Howard

Don't you mean the Gorky operation of the 1930s Bill? Ford wasn't a player
in the Kama River deal. This was Nixon Administration deal with financing
from Chase Manhatten arranged by former Chase employee Henry Kissinger.

The Kama River Plant was started about 1972 so had little to do with our
time in VN. I've listed below US players in this operation.

GULF & WESTERN INDUSTRIES, INC.
1 Gulf and Western Plaza, New York NY 10023
Tel. (212) 333-7000
Chairman of the Board: Charles G. Bluhdorn
Note: Charles Bluhdorn is also a Trustee of Freedoms Foundations
at Valley Forge and Chairman of Paramount Pictures Corp.

E. W. BLISS CO. (a subsidiary of Gulf & Western)
217 Second Street NW, Canton, Ohio 44702
Tel. (216) 453-7701
Chairman of the Board: Carl E. Anderson
Note: Carl E. Anderson is also Chairman of the American-Israel
Chamber of Commerce & Industry

COMBUSTION ENGINEERING, INC.
277 Park Avenue, New York, NY 10017
Tel. (212) 826-7100
Chairman of the Board: Arthur J. Santry, Jr.

HOLCROFT AND COMPANY
12062 Market Street, Livonia, Mich. 48150
Tel. (313) 261-8410
Chairman of the Board: John A. McMann

HONEYWELL, INC.
2701 4th Avenue S., Minneapolis, Minn. 55408
Tel. (612) 332-5200
Chairman of the Board: James H. Binger

INGERSOLL MILLING MACHINE COMPANY
707 Fulton Street, Rockford, ILL 61101
Tel. (815) 963-6461
Chairman of the Board: Robert M. Gaylord

NATIONAL ENGINEERING CO.
20 N. Wacker Drive, Chicago, ILL 60606
Tel. (312) 782-6140
Chairman of the Board: Bruce L. Simpson

PULLMAN, INC.
200 S. Michigan Ave., Chicago, ILL 60604
Tel. (312) 939-4262
Chairman of the Board: W. Irving Osborne, Jr.

SWINDELL-DRESSLER CO. (Division of Pullman, Inc.)
441 Smithfield Street, Pittsburgh, PA 15222
Tel. (412) 391-4800
Chairman of the Board: Donald J. Morfee

WARNER & SWAZEY
11000 Cedar Avenue, Cleveland, Ohio 44106
Tel. (216) 431-6014
Chairman of the Board: James C. Hodge

CHASE MANHATTAN BANK
Chairman of the Board: David Rockefeller



Wally
От alex~1
К alex~1 (03.01.2005 21:13:07)
Дата 03.01.2005 22:27:35

Re: Интересная статья

http://www.alor.org/Volume12/Vol12No47.htm

Those who have read the Crown Commonwealth League of Rights report to the 1976 World Anti-Communist League Conference, "A Programme for Halting the Financing of Economic Blood Transfusions to the Communists" ($1 posted) are familiar with the building of the Kama River truck factory by Western industrial organisations, the credit being provided by the American Export-Import Bank and David Rockefeller's Chase Manhattan Bank.
От alex~1
К alex~1 (03.01.2005 21:13:07)
Дата 03.01.2005 22:24:57

Re: Интересная статья

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/best_enemy/foreword.htm

Antony Sutton is not about to offer the following evidence in his own academic self-defense, so I will. Perhaps the best-informed American scholar in the field of Soviet history and overall strategy is Prof. Richard Pipes of Harvard University. In 1984, his chilling book appeared, Survival Is Not Enough: Soviet Realities and America's Future (Simon & Schuster). His book tells at least part of the story of the Soviet Union's reliance on Western technology, including the infamous Kama River truck plant, which was built by the Pullman-Swindell company of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, a subsidiary of M. W. Kellogg Co.
От alex~1
К alex~1 (03.01.2005 21:13:07)
Дата 03.01.2005 22:11:13

Re: Интересная статья

http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/2003.html

Обратите внимание, что КАМАЗ поставлен в один ряд с ГАЗ и АвтоВАЗ.

The oligarchy and the regime serving it cite the experience of the
United States and Russia in the early stages of industrialization to
justify the so-called borrowing of hard currency from abroad. The loans the
United States and Russia got in the final quarter of the last century,
however, were used mainly to build enterprises of heavy industry,
railroads, and other elements of the infrastructure. The loans and the
interest on them were paid with the income from those enterprises. The
Soviet Union used foreign loans and credits in a similar manner. Gaydar,
Chubays, and other such "scholars" love to make direct and indirect
references to the foreign debt of the Soviet Union, but they do not mention
that these loans were used to finance the construction and renovation of
such giants of Soviet industry as KamAZ, AvtoVAZ, GAZ, and dozens of other
enterprises that are now being plundered by the financial oligarchy
От alex~1
К alex~1 (03.01.2005 21:13:07)
Дата 03.01.2005 22:02:01

Re: Интересная статья

http://www.wws.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/byteserv.prl/~ota/disk3/1979/7918/791808.PDF

Фрагмент:

Turnkey projects in their pure form, involving
purchase of an entire installation
from one firm or one country, are relatively
rare—at least in the case of the Soviet Union.
Most often, a Communist nation contracts
with many Western firms for particular components
of a complex, including marketing
and subsidiary services. The Soviet Kama
River truck plant is a good example. Here,
the U.S.S.R. dealt with Western firms in
several countries, assembling its own sophisticated
mixture of goods and services to fit
its own specifications.3

Примечание:

See Harlan S. Finer, Howard Gobstein, and George D.
Holliday, “KamAZ: U.S. Technology Transfer to the Soviet
Union, ” in Henry R. Nau, cd., Technology Transfer and U.S.
Foreign Policy (New York: Praeger Publishers, 1976).
March-April 1977.

От alex~1
К alex~1 (03.01.2005 21:13:07)
Дата 03.01.2005 21:27:37

Очень немного - что с ходу нашел в Inet'е

http://www.newtimes.ru/eng/detail.asp?art_id=497

Фрагмент:

At every phase of our relations numberless non-commercial trade promotion organizations
would emerge, function, disappear and re-emerge. In 1909 the American-Russian
Chamber of Commerce was set up and existed, with breaks, up to 1940. It was
reestablished in 1973 as the US-Soviet Chamber of Commerce. And in 1974 the
American-Soviet Trade and Economic Council (ASTES) was set up (dissolved in 1992),
etc. Its sphere of competence included assisting in the construction of a giant automobile
plant in Naberezhnye Chelny, a place known only to its residents at that time. The Kama
Purchasing Commission was working in the General Electric skyscraper in Fifth Avenue in
New York. The equipment was mainly supplied by Pittsburgh. My article on the
construction of the KamAZ published by the Komsomolskaya Pravda ended with the line
Pittsburgh-Naberezhnye Chelny.