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Re: Городской постфольклор...
"Ах оставьте Вы, оставьте"(с)
Мейл шовинист пиг теперь значит я. И в этом дело. Ой враг я женшин,
враг...
Лучше если есть что по сути - вы ж отставной филолух - давайте по теме.
И хучь полчаса обдумывайте прежде чем реагаж давить, представьте опять
что вы мистер Волхов :-).
Вот выкладываю в копилку файл afufaq. Перевод сквозной есть, но кривой -
через транслейт.ру получен. На сайте урбангендс.ком - НТМЛ версия очень
удобная плюс "свежие сливки". В том числе подробно разжеванный,
популярный в народе упомянутый слух о "смертоносной крысиной моче"
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An urban legend
Official Usenet Alt.Folklore.Urban Frequently Posted Legends
"I will set down a tale...it may be history it may
be only a legend, a tradition. It may have
happened, it may not have happened. But it could
have happened..."
-- Mark Twain
Introduction To The Listings
This is the Web version of part three of the five part Frequently Asked
Questions list for alt.folklore.urban. This section contains a list of
various urban legends and related topics for this newsgroup.
If the story you are considering posting to AFU falls under one of those
discussed below, reconsider the posting or at least ask about it
intelligently. Chances are, if it's on this list, it's been discussed to
death. If you still want to post it as is, youse takes youse chances.
Key to Listed FAQs
T = 100% scientific truth
Tb = believed true, but not conclusively proven
F = 100% falsehood
Ft = A legend, mostly untrue, but with a true occurrence or known
origin.
Fb = believed false, but not conclusively proven
U = unanswered and may be unanswerable
P = Maybe it didn't happen, but it's scientifically possible (used
extremely sparingly, where the opposite is expected, as it could apply
to just about every legend)
An urban legend:
* appears mysteriously and spreads spontaneously in varying
forms,
* contains elements of humor or horror (the horror often
"punishes" someone who flouts society's conventions).
* makes good storytelling.
* does NOT have to be false, although most are. ULs often
have a basis in fact, but it's their life after-the-fact
(particularly in reference to the second and third points)
that gives them particular interest.
========================================================================
===
Urban folklore is not restricted to events that supposedly
happened in urban areas. As Jan Brunvand notes in _The Baby
Train_, "... these stories reflect urban life and attitudes,
even if they're not told told exclusively about things that
supposedly happened in big cities.
As far as etymology is concerned, Jan Brunvand credits the
noted folklorist Richard Dorson with coining the term "urban
legend" (after initially referring to them as "urban belief
tales"). The first use of the term (by Dorson) that Brunvand
has found was in a book of essays edited by Tristram Potter
Coffin entitled _Our Living Traditions_ published in 1968.
RELIGION AND URBAN LEGENDS
Issues of religious faith per se, while occasionally
fitting the mode of legends are not really appropriate for
urban legend discussion. They involve a dimension beyond
the immediate concerns of urban legends (though it may be
reasonably argued that they arise out of the same sorts
of human concerns). Similarly, issues of mythology (a la
Joseph Campbell or Mircea Eliade, et al.) while potentially
fascinating on their own merits, are not really relevant for
discussion in an urban legends newsgroup either.
To the extent their discussion sheds insights into popular
urban legends, no problem. Otherwise, it really belongs in
talk.religion.misc or some other newsgroup.
Religion (of whatever stripe) is a significant and real
institution in the lives of many peoples. As a result,
it can and will give rise to urban legends and to this
extent, its discussion is appropriate for AFU. The
veracity of the institution is irrelevant since its
influence is undeniable.
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/folklore-faq/
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers
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классификатор там важный выработан, он везде в таких ФАКах применяется.
Перевод кривого транслата ру.
Ключ к Внесенным в список FAQs
T = 100%-ая научная правда
Tb = Веривший истинный, но не окончательно доказанный
F = 100%-ая неправда
Фу = Легенда, главным образом несоответствующая, но с истинным
возникновением или известным происхождением.
Fb = Веривший ложный, но не окончательно доказанный
U = Оставшийся без ответа и может быть не имеющий ответа
P = Возможно это не случалось, но это с научной точки зрения возможно
(использовано чрезвычайно экономно, где противоположность ожидается,
поскольку это могло обращаться примерно к каждой легенде)
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Наталия сообщил в новостях
следующее:2959@kmf...
> Спасибо. Очень интересно было почитать. > Что это доказывает? - Это
доказывает то, что многие наши мужчины, к сожалению, заражены чувством
мужского превосходства и не доросли еще до способности вести с женщиной
нормальный, не НЕРВНЫЙ, диалог.
>
:-)