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Рубрики Современность; Спецслужбы;

Ребята, верните взрывчатку - уже не смешно

"Российский спецназ эскортировал множетство оружия из Ирака в Сирию, по словам Джона Шоу, зам. вице-секретарерм министра обороны по безопасности технологий. 'Русские ввели, прямо до начала войны, целую группу воинских частей. Их главная задача была уничтожить контракты и документы соглашений с Ираком. Остальные были транспортными частями'. Информация была получена через две европейские секретные службы.

:)

Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms

By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.
John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.
"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."
Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloguing the tons of conventional arms provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable information on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence services that have detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.
Most of Saddam's most powerful arms were systematically separated from other arms like mortars, bombs and rockets, and sent to Syria and Lebanon, and possibly to Iran, he said.
The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam's weapons, including some 380 tons of RDX and HMX is still being investigated, Mr. Shaw said.
The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and nuclear weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said.
Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita could not be reached for comment.
The disappearance of the material was reported in a letter Oct. 10 from the Iraqi government to the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Disclosure of the missing explosives Monday in a New York Times story was used by the Democratic presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry, who accused the Bush administration of failing to secure the material.
Al-Qaqaa, a known Iraqi weapons site, was monitored closely, Mr. Shaw said.
"That was such a pivotal location, Number 1, that the mere fact of [special explosives] disappearing was impossible," Mr. Shaw said. "And Number 2, if the stuff disappeared, it had to have gone before we got there."
The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was defended by Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other Iraqi military units during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated the defenders around April 3 and found the gates to the facility open, the Pentagon said in a statement yesterday.
A military unit in charge of searching for weapons, the Army's 75th Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8, May 11 and May 27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had been monitored in the past by the IAEA.
The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of explosives from the facility after April 6.
"The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd Infantry Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.
The statement also said that the material may have been removed from the site by Saddam's regime.
According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken.
It is not known if the inspectors saw the explosives in March. The U.N. team left the country before the U.S.-led invasion began March 20, 2003.
A second defense official said documents on the Russian support to Iraq reveal that Saddam's government paid the Kremlin for the special forces to provide security for Iraq's Russian arms and to conduct counterintelligence activities designed to prevent U.S. and Western intelligence services from learning about the arms pipeline through Syria.
The Russian arms-removal program was initiated after Yevgeny Primakov, the former Russian intelligence chief, could not convince Saddam to give in to U.S. and Western demands, this official said.
A small portion of Iraq's 650,000 tons to 1 million tons of conventional arms that were found after the war were looted after the U.S.-led invasion, Mr. Shaw said. Russia was Iraq's largest foreign supplier of weaponry, he said.
However, the most important and useful arms and explosives appear to have been separated and moved out as part of carefully designed program. "The organized effort was done in advance of the conflict," Mr. Shaw said.
The Russian forces were tasked with moving special arms out of the country.
Mr. Shaw said foreign intelligence officials believe the Russians worked with Saddam's Mukhabarat intelligence service to separate out special weapons, including high explosives and other arms and related technology, from standard conventional arms spread out in some 200 arms depots.
The Russian weapons were then sent out of the country to Syria, and possibly Lebanon in Russian trucks, Mr. Shaw said.
Mr. Shaw said he believes that the withdrawal of Russian-made weapons and explosives from Iraq was part of plan by Saddam to set up a "redoubt" in Syria that could be used as a base for launching pro-Saddam insurgency operations in Iraq.
The Russian units were dispatched beginning in January 2003 and by March had destroyed hundreds of pages of documents on Russian arms supplies to Iraq while dispersing arms to Syria, the second official said.
Besides their own weapons, the Russians were supplying Saddam with arms made in Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria and other Eastern European nations, he said.
"Whatever was not buried was put on lorries and sent to the Syrian border," the defense official said.
Documents reviewed by the official included itineraries of military units involved in the truck shipments to Syria. The materials outlined in the documents included missile components, MiG jet parts, tank parts and chemicals used to make chemical weapons, the official said.
The director of the Iraqi government front company known as the Al Bashair Trading Co. fled to Syria, where he is in charge of monitoring arms holdings and funding Iraqi insurgent activities, the official said.
Also, an Arabic-language report obtained by U.S. intelligence disclosed the extent of Russian armaments. The 26-page report was written by Abdul Tawab Mullah al Huwaysh, Saddam's minister of military industrialization, who was captured by U.S. forces May 2, 2003.
The Russian "spetsnaz" or special-operations forces were under the GRU military intelligence service and organized large commercial truck convoys for the weapons removal, the official said.
Regarding the explosives, the new Iraqi government reported that 194.7 metric tons of HMX, or high-melting-point explosive, and 141.2 metric tons of RDX, or rapid-detonation explosive, and 5.8 metric tons of PETN, or pentaerythritol tetranitrate, were missing.
The material is used in nuclear weapons and also in making military "plastic" high explosive.
Defense officials said the Russians can provide information on what happened to the Iraqi weapons and explosives that were transported out of the country. Officials believe the Russians also can explain what happened to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.
От Marat
К Гриша (28.10.2004 06:29:50)
Дата 29.10.2004 21:29:07

просто комментс

Приветствую!

>Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms
>By Bill Gertz
>THE WASHINGTON TIMES

неплохо было бы еще дату ставить, чтобы избавить от необходимости брести на их бредовый сайт - без наездов, а так :))

Марат
"If you save the world too often, it begins to expect it"
От Marat
К Marat (29.10.2004 21:29:07)
Дата 29.10.2004 21:43:47

Герц продолжает выпивать :)

Приветствую!

>неплохо было бы еще дату ставить, чтобы избавить от необходимости брести на их бредовый сайт - без наездов, а так :))

фотографию вывесили на которой "два грузовика припаркованных рядом с одним из 56 бункеров базы хранения"



This reconaissance picture, released yesterday, shows two trucks parked outside one of the 56 bunkers of the Al Qa Qaa Explosive Storage Complex on March 17, 2003, prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
(AP)


http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041028-115519-3700r.htm

Photos point to removal of weapons
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

U.S. intelligence agencies have obtained satellite photographs of truck convoys that were at several weapons sites in Iraq in the weeks before U.S. military operations were launched, defense officials said yesterday.
The photographs indicate that Iraq was moving arms and equipment from its known weapons sites, said officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
According to one official, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, known as NGA, "documented the movement of long convoys of trucks from various areas around Baghdad to the Syrian border."







The official said the convoys are believed to include shipments of sensitive armaments, including equipment used in making plastic explosives and nuclear weapons.
About 380 tons of RDX and HMX, used in making such arms, were reported missing from the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility, though the Pentagon and an embedded NBC News correspondent said the facility appeared to have been emptied by the time U.S. forces got there.
The photographs bolster the claims of Pentagon official John A. Shaw, who told The Washington Times on Wednesday that recent intelligence reports indicate Russian special forces units took part in a sophisticated dispersal operation from January 2003 to March 2003 to move key weapons out of Iraq.
In Moscow, the Russian government denied that its forces were involved in removing weapons from Iraq, dismissing the claims as "far-fetched and ridiculous."
"I can state officially that the Russian Defense Ministry and its structural divisions could not have been involved in the disappearance of the explosives, because Russian servicemen were not in Iraq long before the beginning of the American-British operation in that country," Defense Ministry spokesman Col. Vyacheslav Sedov told Interfax news agency.
Bush administration officials reacted cautiously to information provided by Mr. Shaw, who said details of the Russian "spetsnaz" forces' involvement in a program of document-shredding and weapons dispersal came from two European intelligence services.
White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters aboard Air Force One that he was unaware of the information in The Times report.
"I know that there is some new information that has come to light in the last couple of days," Mr. McClellan said, noting that another news report said the amount of high-explosive materials may have been less than 377 tons, as the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) claims.
Asked about foreign intelligence reports of Russian troops moving Iraq's weapons to Syria, Mr. McClellan said, "I have no information that points in that direction."
National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said in a interview on the Laura Ingraham radio show that she also was not aware of the information about Russian troops relocating Saddam's weapons to Syria, Lebanon and possibly Iran.
Defense officials said the information has been closely held within the Pentagon because Mr. Shaw, a deputy undersecretary of defense of international technology security, has been working with the Pentagon inspector general in investigating the Russian role in the weapons transfers.
Information in the inspector general office is not widely shared within the policy and intelligence communities.
The Pentagon is still investigating the fate of the explosives and possible Russian involvement.
Officials said numerous intelligence reports in the past two years indicate Saddam used trucks and aircraft to withdraw weapons from Iraq before March 2003. However, the new information indicates that Russian troops were directly involved in assisting the Iraqi military and intelligence services to secure and move the arms.
Documents reviewed by one defense official include specific Russian military unit itineraries for the truck convoys.
The arms that were taken out of the country included missile parts, nuclear-related equipment, tank and aircraft parts, and chemicals used in making poison gas weapons, the official said.
Regarding the satellite photographs, defense officials said the photographs bolster the information obtained from the European intelligence services on the Russian arms-removal program.
The Russian special forces troops were housed at a computer center near the Russian Embassy in Baghdad and left the country shortly before the U.S. invasion was launched March 20, 2003.
Harold Hough, a satellite photographic specialist, said commercial satellite images taken shortly before U.S. forces reached Baghdad revealed Russian transport aircraft at Baghdad's international airport near a warehouse.
"My thought was that the Russians were eager to get something out of Iraq quickly," Mr. Hough said. "But it is quite possible that the aircraft was used to transport the Russian forces."
Also yesterday, the IAEA said it warned the United States about the vulnerability of explosives stored at Al-Qaqaa after Iraq's Tuwaitha nuclear complex was looted.
"After we heard reports of looting at the Tuwaitha site in April 2003, the agency's chief Iraq inspectors alerted American officials that we were concerned about the security of the high explosives stored at Al-Qaqaa," IAEA spokeswoman Melissa Fleming told the Associated Press.
She did not say which officials were notified or exactly when.
От Юрий А.
К Гриша (28.10.2004 06:29:50)
Дата 28.10.2004 11:05:14

Какие мы крутые, у-у-у-у-у-у :-)))))))))))))))))))))

>"Российский спецназ эскортировал множетство оружия из Ирака в Сирию, по словам Джона Шоу, зам. вице-секретарерм министра обороны по безопасности технологий. 'Русские ввели, прямо до начала войны, целую группу воинских частей. Их главная задача была уничтожить контракты и документы соглашений с Ираком. Остальные были транспортными частями'. Информация была получена через две европейские секретные службы.

Это был Призрак ГРУ - "дикий но симпотишный. Вам страшно?" (с).

******************
Русские ответили, что для мелфанкшн у прибора есть молоток в специальном гнезде.
От Рыжий Лис.
К Гриша (28.10.2004 06:29:50)
Дата 28.10.2004 07:19:59

Интересно, зачем им это?

Пытаются списать хоть на кого то исчезновение взрывчатки?
От Гриша
К Рыжий Лис. (28.10.2004 07:19:59)
Дата 28.10.2004 07:58:05

Думаю что смешали мух с котлетами

>Пытаются списать хоть на кого то исчезновение взрывчатки?

Присутствие агентов (и даже спецназа) СВР для вывоза "неудобных" документов из архива Саддама мне кажется весьма вероятной и логичной. Но спецназ ГРУ, организовывающий вывоз тысяч тон оборудования, военной техники и взрывчатки в Сирию ... зачем? Почему? Не верится.
От Рыжий Лис.
К Гриша (28.10.2004 07:58:05)
Дата 28.10.2004 08:12:56

Да понятно, что байка

>Присутствие агентов (и даже спецназа) СВР для вывоза "неудобных" документов из архива Саддама мне кажется весьма вероятной и логичной. Но спецназ ГРУ, организовывающий вывоз тысяч тон оборудования, военной техники и взрывчатки в Сирию ... зачем? Почему? Не верится.

Думаю, реально кто то из саддамовского окружения под занавес решил толкнуть кое-что из барахлишка.
Но официальным лицам зачем то понадобилось толкать заведомую лажу в СМИ.
Я более высокого мнения о американском разведывательном сообществе и версий у меня две - прикрывают чью то ответственную задницу от пинка за упущенное барахло, либо готовят наезд на соседей (упоминаются Сирия и Иран).
От СВАН
К Рыжий Лис. (28.10.2004 08:12:56)
Дата 28.10.2004 11:41:05

Очень верно


>Я более высокого мнения о американском разведывательном сообществе и версий у меня две - прикрывают чью то ответственную задницу от пинка за упущенное барахло, либо готовят наезд на соседей (упоминаются Сирия и Иран).

Но Вы забыли, что упоминается ещё и Россия. Следующим логичным этапом будет предположение (сначала), что и ОМП из Ирака помогла вывезти именно Россия. Посмотрим, что будет дальше?

СВАН
От Рыжий Лис.
К СВАН (28.10.2004 11:41:05)
Дата 28.10.2004 12:20:12

Re: Очень верно

>Но Вы забыли, что упоминается ещё и Россия. Следующим логичным этапом будет предположение (сначала), что и ОМП из Ирака помогла вывезти именно Россия.

Не думаю. Подобные заявления официальных лиц как правило прямо с конфликтом не связаны - там есть и второй и третий слои (предупреждение, угроза, коммерческие интересы и т.п.). Так, приснопамятный визг о Кольчуге имел целью вызов на ковер в обком и построение украинской элиты, а так же создал предпосылки для отправки украинской бригады в Ирак. А вопли о поставках наших ПТУР в Ирак имели целью подрыв позиций наших торговцев оружием на других рынках.

>Посмотрим, что будет дальше?

Да, это любопытно.
От Marat
К Рыжий Лис. (28.10.2004 12:20:12)
Дата 29.10.2004 21:27:17

Re: Очень верно

Приветствую!

>>Но Вы забыли, что упоминается ещё и Россия. Следующим логичным этапом будет предположение (сначала), что и ОМП из Ирака помогла вывезти именно Россия.
>
>Не думаю.

цитата из статьи
"Officials believe the Russians also can explain what happened to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs".

>>Посмотрим, что будет дальше?
>
>Да, это любопытно.

см. цитату :)))

Марат
"If you save the world too often, it begins to expect it"