От tsa
К Паршев
Дата 08.07.2003 13:18:03
Рубрики Танки;

Мне рассказывали, что обычно мешочек ТНТ или снаряд.

Здравствуйте !

А итальянки стопками врядли. Они бабок стоят немалых.

С уважением, tsa.
От Лис
К tsa (08.07.2003 13:18:03)
Дата 08.07.2003 21:47:31

Re: Мне рассказывали,...

Обычно действительно просто доп. ВВ в яму "докидывали". Оно и дешевле, чем еще одну-две мины тратить, и миноискателем не берется в отличие от снаряда ("итальяху" взять тяжело -- она пластиковая почти вся за исключением нескольких мелких деталюшек во взрывателе).
От tsa
К Лис (08.07.2003 21:47:31)
Дата 09.07.2003 09:39:34

Re: Мне рассказывали,...

Здравствуйте !

>"итальяху" взять тяжело -- она пластиковая почти вся за исключением нескольких мелких деталюшек во взрывателе.

Вы индекс её не помните ?
Хотел найти в и-нете её описание, но не знаю как искать, т.к. помню только внешний вид и немного потроха.

С уважением, tsa.
От Лис
К tsa (09.07.2003 09:39:34)
Дата 09.07.2003 21:35:19

Вот пожалуйста из Джейна по противотанковым.

TC/6

TEXT :
Description

TC/6 is a minimum-metal Anti-Tank (AT) blast mine. The mine is composed of
a main charge and central booster in the plastic casing of the mine body,
and a fuze assembly, which screws onto the top. Another version, TC/3.6,
uses the same system with a smaller charge (see previous entry). In both
designations, the figures denote the mine's explosive content in
kilograms. The fuze has a pressure plate which encloses an air filled
cavity; beneath this is a strong plastic bulkhead which protects the fuze
mechanism. There is no mechanical link between the pressure plate and the
fuze mechanism, but the bulkhead has a very small bleed-hole in it. The
mechanism consists of a spring-loaded striker retained against an outer
collar by a single steel retaining ball. Above this collar, and below the
bleed-hole, is a flexible diaphragm. The mechanism cavity is vented into
two round recesses in the base of the fuze; these are lined with a
membrane and fitted with a protective grill. The detonator assembly screws
into the base of the fuze, replaced by an inert plastic version during
transit. The heavily ribbed mine body, which is fitted with a plastic
carrying handle, is produced in olive green and sand colours, with other
options available.

Operation

When a load is applied to the pressure plate, air from the upper cavity is
forced through the small bleed-hole. This distorts the diaphragm which
bears on the collar, compressing the striker spring until the retaining
ball escapes into a recess. The striker is released onto the detonator
assembly to initiate the mine. When the mine is subjected to rapid
overpressure, the air does not have time to move through the small hole to
actuate the fuze; this makes the mine very resistant to explosive
countermeasures. The substantial blast will destroy running gear, and may
penetrate the hull of a heavily armoured vehicle.

Neutralisation

This mine cannot be neutralised.

Disarming

To disarm the mine, the fuze assembly is unscrewed from the mine body and
the detonator assembly unscrewed from the base of the fuze.

SPECIFICATIONS :
{st}
Weight 9.6 kg Diameter 270 mm
Explosive weight 6 kg Height 185 mm
Explosive type Composition B Operating pressure 180-310 kg
{ct}

TEXT :
General information

{st}
Used in Afghanistan, Chad
Emplacement Manual or mechanical
Detectability This mine is very difficult to detect
Anti-handling None
Blast resistance Extremely resistant to overpressure
Cross reference Also produced in Egypt (as TC-6) and Portugal. TC/6
is a larger version of the TC/3.6
Manufacturer Tecnovar Italiana SpA
{ct}

Notes

Training versions of the mine are manufactured. TCE/6, the electronic
version of TC/6, is outwardly identical but contains circuitry to enable
remote arming and disarming (see Section 3).

CAPTION : TC/6 AT blast mine (Colin King) (1996)

CAPTION : Cutaway diagram of the TC/6. For fuze detail, see also diagram
for previous entry (TC/3.6) (Lyn Haywood) (1998)

TEXT :
Whilst every care has been taken to ensure that this publication is
accurate, neither the Editor nor Jane's Information Group accept any
responsibility for loss occasioned to any person acting or refraining from
acting as a result of the material contained in this publication. In
particular it should be noted that the procedures for neutralisation and
disarming are intended only for guidance. They take no account of
combinations and variations in mine positioning, fuzing or design. These
procedures are not claimed to be suitable as drills for field use.

А вот так она выглядит:


И вот такая:
TC/3.6

TEXT :
Description

TC/3.6 is a minimum-metal Anti-Tank (AT) blast mine. The mine is composed
of a main charge and central booster in the plastic casing of the mine
body, with a fuze assembly which screws onto the top. A larger version,
TC/6, uses the same system with a heavier charge (see following entry). In
both designations, the figures denote the mine's explosive content in
kilograms. The fuze has a pressure plate which encloses an air filled
cavity; beneath this is a strong plastic bulkhead which protects the fuze
mechanism. There is no mechanical link between the pressure plate and the
fuze mechanism, but the bulkhead has a very small bleed-hole in it. The
mechanism consists of a spring-loaded striker retained against an outer
collar by a single steel retaining ball. Above this collar and below the
bleed-hole, is a flexible diaphragm. The mechanism cavity is vented into
two round recesses in the base of the fuze; these are lined with a
membrane and fitted with a protective grill. The detonator assembly screws
into the base of the fuze, replaced by an inert plastic version during
transit. The heavily ribbed mine body, which is fitted with a plastic
carrying handle, is produced in olive green and sand colours, with other
options available.

Operation

When a load is applied to the pressure plate, air from the upper cavity is
forced through the small bleed-hole. This distorts the diaphragm which
bears on the collar, compressing the striker spring until the retaining
ball escapes into a recess. The striker is released onto the detonator
assembly to initiate the mine. When the mine is subjected to rapid
overpressure, the air does not have time to move through the small hole to
actuate the fuze; this makes the mine very resistant to explosive
countermeasures. The blast is capable of damaging the running gear of any
wheeled or tracked vehicle, though it is unlikely to penetrate the hull of
a heavily armoured vehicle.

Neutralisation

This mine cannot be neutralised.

Disarming

To disarm the mine, the fuze assembly is unscrewed from the mine body and
the detonator assembly unscrewed from the base of the fuze.

SPECIFICATIONS :
{st}
Weight 6.8 kg Diameter 270 mm
Explosive weight 3.6 kg Height 145 mm
Explosive type Composition B Operating pressure 180-310 kg
{ct}

TEXT :
General information

{st}
Used in Afghanistan
Emplacement Manual or mechanical
Detectability This mine is very difficult to detect
Anti-handling None
Blast resistance Extremely resistant to overpressure
Cross reference Also produced in Portugal. TC/3.6 is a smaller version of TC/6 (see following entry)
Manufacturer Tecnovar Italiana SpA
{ct}

Notes

Training versions of the mine are manufactured. TCE/3.6, the electronic
version of TC/3.6, is outwardly identical but contains circuitry to enable
remote arming and disarming.

CAPTION : TC/3.6 AT blast mine (Colin King) (1996)

CAPTION : Cutaway diagram of the TC/3.6. For additional fuze detail, see
also diagram for next entry (TC/6) (1996)

TEXT :
Whilst every care has been taken to ensure that this publication is
accurate, neither the Editor nor Jane's Information Group accept any
responsibility for loss occasioned to any person acting or refraining from
acting as a result of the material contained in this publication. In
particular it should be noted that the procedures for neutralisation and
disarming are intended only for guidance. They take no account of
combinations and variations in mine positioning, fuzing or design. These
procedures are not claimed to be suitable as drills for field use.

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От Паршев
К tsa (08.07.2003 13:18:03)
Дата 08.07.2003 14:44:43

Так они что ли платили?

А американский бюджет и не такое выдерживал.
А таранить на себе снаряд смысла нет - там же железо более 80% для подрыва техники необязательное, если только рядом валяется.
От В. Кашин
К Паршев (08.07.2003 14:44:43)
Дата 08.07.2003 14:56:12

Никто не будет зря тратить мину, которую можно продать на рынке

Добрый день!
Если вы живете в феодальном обществе и у вас есть выбор - подорвать советский БТР 4-мя минами, либо добиться того же одной миной и артснарядом, а остальные 3 продать, решение очевидно.
С уважением, Василий Кашин
От Паршев
К В. Кашин (08.07.2003 14:56:12)
Дата 08.07.2003 16:31:04

Ещё разок - снаряд надо переть, он тяжёлый, а ВВ в нём (сравнительно с весом)

всего ничего. Мешок с ТНТ - тоже конечно могло быть, но поставляли им не мешками, а оружием готовым.
И платили не за факт отрыва колеса, а за реально подорванную технику.
Конечно, могли, если есть рядом, и снаряд использовать, но там же не Чечня, где кругом населённые пункты и снаряды валяются.
От Arcticfox
К Паршев (08.07.2003 16:31:04)
Дата 08.07.2003 16:35:04

Прёт ишак, ему не привыкать. (-)