От VLADIMIR
К Максимов
Дата 13.12.2021 04:08:58
Рубрики WWII; Армия;

Re: Формально, вроде,...

>>>В полковой истории 25-го полка уланов довольно подробно описан краснобродский эпизод.
>>>Упоминания о пленении генерала нет.
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>>Значит, все придумано? В Сети опровержений нет, а упоминаний масса.
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>>Вы считаете, что это один из мифов ВМВ?
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>Полагаю, да. Если бы пленение генерала было бы на самом деле, то об этом звучало бы из каждого утюга ещё при Жечи Народовой.
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Посмотрите вот этот линк:

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=8cx9DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT170&lpg=PT170&dq=Rudolf+Koch-Erpach+about+his+time+in+polish+captivity+1939&source=bl&ots=ziTVmwYbjR&sig=ACfU3U1OBk1KqXuczMMTAaZzqDSkPE_lwQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjaqKexyd_0AhWOzzgGHbcPD_AQ6AF6BAgsEAM#v=onepage&q=Rudolf%20Koch-Erpach%20about%20his%20time%20in%20polish%20captivity%201939&f=false

First to Fight: The Polish War 1939
Roger Moorhouse - историк, владеющий несколькими языками, скорее всего имевший доступ к немецким источникам во время написания этой книги. Думаю, он вряд ли запустил бы осетра.
От Skvortsov
К VLADIMIR (13.12.2021 04:08:58)
Дата 13.12.2021 09:44:52

Может, лучше сразу процитировать?


>First to Fight: The Polish War 1939
>Roger Moorhouse - историк, владеющий несколькими языками, скорее всего имевший доступ к немецким источникам во время написания этой книги. Думаю, он вряд ли запустил бы осетра.

"The most success was enjoyed by the Nowogródek Cavalry Brigade, under the command of Brigadier-General Władysław Anders, which flanked Tomaszów to the north and attacked German forces in the town of Krasnobród, seeking a way around the impasse. At dawn on a foggy morning, a two-pronged cavalry charge at German positions on the outskirts of the town soon had the enemy in retreat, pursued by sabre-wielding Uhlans. The Polish advance was temporarily checked by a counter-charge by elements of the German 17th Cavalry Regiment, making it one of the last cavalry-on-cavalry engagements in history. By that night, however, the battle was over. The Polish victory was crowned by the freeing of some 100 prisoners that were being held in a church and the capture of General Rudolf Koch-Erpach, commander of the 8th Infantry Division, the first German general to be captured in the Second World War. Moreover, victory at Krasnobród allowed some Polish units to escape southward. As Anders himself recalled: “At 11 p.m. the enemy was defeated, the opening made and the exhausted troops began to pass through the gap.”"
От B~M
К Skvortsov (13.12.2021 09:44:52)
Дата 13.12.2021 20:53:14

Вот ещё цитата из другой книги

On the morning of 21 September, the Poles began bumping into German units south of Zamość and conducted a number of localized attacks. From the German viewpoint, they could not properly assess what they were up against and efforts to re-orient and counter-attack with VIII Armeekorps on 22 September proved fruitless because no major enemy units were encountered. The normal German tactical aggressiveness was impaired because Hitler had said that no more German blood should be shed east of the Vistula since it was being handed over to the Soviets – nobody wanted to suffer unnecessary losses in a campaign that was ending. Anders enjoyed the most success, thanks to some luck. By chance, around 0800 hours on 23 September his Nowogródzka Cavalry Brigade stumbled upon the lightly guarded command post of Generalleutnant Rudolf Koch-Erpach’s 8. Infanterie-Division near Krasnobród. After a firefight, Generalleutnant Koch-Erpach and 100 of his troops were captured – the first German general captured in the Second World War. Anders had also broken through the German cordon and he headed south with his cavalry, and their prisoners.
Forczyk R. - Case White. The Invasion of Poland 1939 (2019)

Видимо, ситуация у поляков была слишком печальная, чтобы даже целый немецкий генерал мог её хоть-сколько-нибудь подсластить.
От VLADIMIR
К Skvortsov (13.12.2021 09:44:52)
Дата 13.12.2021 10:01:04

Оставлю это в Ваших крепких руках. Спасибо за подключение к дискуссии :-) (-)