Îò ÑàíèòàðÆåíÿ
Ê Ïàóëü
Äàòà 18.09.2020 20:39:16
Ðóáðèêè WWI; Àðìèÿ;

Re: Î, "ñïåöèàëèñòû"...

>>>Ôðàíöóçñêàÿ êàâàëåðèÿ íå èñ÷åçëà èç-çà òîãî, ÷òî îñíîâíûì âèäîì áîÿ ñ÷èòàëñÿ â ïåøåì ñòðîþ.
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>>Êîííûõ îñòàëîñü äâå äèâèçè øåâîëåæåðîâ, â êàæäîé áðèãàäà íà ëîøàäÿõ è áðèãàäà ìåõàíèçèðîâàííàÿ.
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>Æàëü, íå óêàçàëè â êàêîì ãîäó.

>Ïîñëå Ïåðâîé ìèðîâîé âî ôðàíöóçñêîé àðìèè îñòàëîñü ïÿòü êàâàëåðèéñêèõ äèâèçèé.  30-õ (â 34-ì è 37-ì) äâå èç íèõ ïîëíîñòüþ ìîòîìåõàíèçèðîâàëè. Ñêîëüêî îñòàëîñü íà êîíÿøêàõ? Ïðàâèëüíî, òðè. Ïîòîì èç íèõ â íà÷àëå 1940 ãîäà ñäåëàëè ïÿòü êàâäèâèçèé ïîìåíüøå.

Òîëüêî âîò â Division Légère de Cavalerie áûëè ïî äâå áðèãàäû. Îäíà ïîëíîñòüþ ìåõàíèçèðîâàííàÿ, à âîò â ÷àñòè äèâèçèé âòîðàÿ áðèãàäà âêëþ÷àëà äâà êàâïîëêà, à â ÷àñòè êàâïîëê è ïîëê äðàãóíîâ íà àâòîìîáèëÿõ.

Îò Ïàóëü
Ê ÑàíèòàðÆåíÿ (18.09.2020 20:39:16)
Äàòà 18.09.2020 21:29:59

"ñïåöèàëèñòû" íå ñäàþòñÿ


>Òîëüêî âîò â Division Légère de Cavalerie áûëè ïî äâå áðèãàäû. Îäíà ïîëíîñòüþ ìåõàíèçèðîâàííàÿ, à âîò â ÷àñòè äèâèçèé âòîðàÿ áðèãàäà âêëþ÷àëà äâà êàâïîëêà, à â ÷àñòè êàâïîëê è ïîëê äðàãóíîâ íà àâòîìîáèëÿõ.

Íàçîâ¸òå õîòü îäíó äèâèçèþ, ãäå â êàâàëåðèéñêîé áðèãàäå íå áûëî äâóõ êàâïîëêîâ?

Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Ïàóëü.

Îò Skvortsov
Ê ÑàíèòàðÆåíÿ (18.09.2020 20:39:16)
Äàòà 18.09.2020 20:50:39

Ó íèõ ìåõáðèãàäà - ïî ñîñòàâó ïðèìåðíî êàê íåìåöêèé òàíêîâûé ðàçâåäáàòàëüîí. (-)


Îò Ïàóëü
Ê Skvortsov (18.09.2020 20:50:39)
Äàòà 18.09.2020 21:52:50

Íó, íåò. Â íåé æå ïîëê âîçèìûõ äðàãóí áûë. (-)


Îò Skvortsov
Ê Ïàóëü (18.09.2020 21:52:50)
Äàòà 18.09.2020 22:01:00

Åñëè íå îøèáàþñü, 2 ýñêàäðîíà ìîòîöèêëèñòîâ è ýñêàäðîí AMR 35 (-)


Îò Ïàóëü
Ê Skvortsov (18.09.2020 22:01:00)
Äàòà 18.09.2020 22:30:34

Re: Åñëè íå...

Øòàòíûé ñîñòàâ ë¸ãêîé ìåõàíèçèðîâàííîé áðèãàäû ë¸ãêîé êàâàëåðèéñêîé äèâèçèè:

— — 1 ïîëê áðîíåìàøèí:
— — — 1 äèâèçèîí äàëüíåé ðàçâåäêè è ìîòîöèêëèñòîâ:
— — — — 1 ýñêàäðîí äàëüíåé ðàçâåäêè:
— — — — — 4 âçâîäà AMD (ïî 3 áðîíåìàøèíû).
— — — — 1 ìîòîöèêëåòíûé ýñêàäðîí:
— — — — — 4 âçâîäà (ïî 4 ðó÷íûõ ïóëåì¸òà, 3 âèíòîâî÷íûõ ãðàíàòîì¸òà);
— — — — — 1 ìèíîì¸òíîå çâåíî (1 60-ìì ìèíîì¸ò).
— — — 1 ìîòîöèêëåòíî-áîåâîé äèâèçèîí:
— — — — 1 áîåâîé ýñêàäðîí:
— — — — — 4 òàíêîâûõ âçâîäà (ïî 3 òàíêà).
— — — — 1 ìîòîöèêëåòíûé ýñêàäðîí:
— — — — — 4 âçâîäà (ïî 4 ðó÷íûõ ïóëåì¸òà, 3 âèíòîâî÷íûõ ãðàíàòîì¸òà);
— — — — — 1 ìèíîì¸òíîå çâåíî (1 60-ìì ìèíîì¸ò).
— — 1 ïîëê âîçèìûõ äðàãóí:
— — — 2 áàòàëüîíà âîçèìûõ äðàãóí, â êàæäîì:
— — — — 1 ñìåøàííûé ðàçâåäûâàòåëüíî-ìîòîöèêëåòíûé ýñêàäðîí:
— — — — — 2 âçâîäà AMR (ïî 10 áðîíåìàøèí);
— — — — — 2 ìîòîöèêëåòíûõ âçâîäà (ïî 4 ðó÷íûõ ïóëåì¸òà, 3 âèíòîâî÷íûõ ãðàíàòîì¸òà).
— — — — 1 ñòðåëêîâûé ýñêàäðîí:
— — — — — 3 âçâîäà (ïî 6 ðó÷íûõ ïóëåì¸òîâ, 4 âèíòîâî÷íûõ ãðàíàòîì¸òà);
— — — — — 1 ïóëåì¸òíûé âçâîä (ïî 4 ñòàíêîâûõ ïóëåì¸òà, 1 çåíèòíûé ïóëåì¸ò);
— — — — — 1 ìèíîì¸òíîå çâåíî (1 60-ìì ìèíîì¸ò).
— — — — 1 ïóëåì¸òíûé ýñêàäðîí:
— — — — — 2 ïóëåì¸òíûõ âçâîäà (ïî 4 ñòàíêîâûõ ïóëåì¸òà, 1 çåíèòíûé ïóëåì¸ò);
— — — — — 2 ïóøå÷íûõ ãðóïïû (ïî 2 25-ìì ïóøêè);
— — — — — 1 ìèíîì¸òíûé âçâîä (4 81-ìì ìèíîì¸òà).
— — 1 ïðîòèâîòàíêîâûé ýñêàäðîí:
— — — 3 âçâîäà (ïî 4 25-ìì ïóøêè).

Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Ïàóëü.

Îò Skvortsov
Ê Ïàóëü (18.09.2020 22:30:34)
Äàòà 18.09.2020 22:54:51

Î! Óáåäèëè. Ïðèìåðíî êàê ðàçâåäïîëê 9-îé òàíêîâîé äèâèçèè. (-)


Îò Skvortsov
Ê Skvortsov (18.09.2020 22:01:00)
Äàòà 18.09.2020 22:18:12

Âîò ïîäðîáíî ïðî ïîëê äðàãóí:

The Régiment de Dragons Portés (RDP)

The division's mechanised infantry component, the Régiment de Dragons Portés (type DLC), was in fact little more than a reinforced battalion. In order to turn the peacetime Dragons Portés battalions into regiments, the battalions were reduced from two to a single squadron of fusiliers although the regiment as a whole did benefit from an increase in support weapons and the addition of the division's AMR reconnaissance squadron. However, due to shortages of dedicated cross-country vehicles, the second battalion was equipped with light trucks instead of Citroën-Kégresse P 19 halftracks (7). For the second battalion, simply substitute light trucks instead of P 19 halftracks in the description below.

Each Bataillon de Dragons Portés (type DLC) was made up of one mixed reconnaissance squadron, one fusiliers squadron and one heavy weapons squadron.
The mixed reconnaissance squadron had two reconnaissance platoons each of five Renault AMR 1933 VM (8) and two motorcyclist platoons organised in the same way as those of the Régiment d'Autos-Mitrailleuses.
The fusiliers squadron was organised into one command and services platoon, three fusiliers platoons, one machine gun platoon and one 60mm mortar group.
Each fusiliers platoon was in turn divided into one platoon command group (eight men, including one VB rifle grenadier, mounted on one P 19 halftrack and one motorcycle combination) and three groupes de combat (sections) of twelve men each. The groupe de combat was made up of one staff sergeant in command, one corporal, one Chatellerault FM 24/29 LMG gunner, one LMG loader, three ammunition bearers (pourvoyeurs), two scouts (éclaireurs), one VB rifle grenadier and two drivers carried in two P 19 halftracks. Both of these vehicles mounted an additional Chatellerault FM 24/29 and this second LMG was manned by the two scouts when the section's firepower needed to be increased.
The machine gun platoon, organised in the same manner as those of the heavy weapons squadron, had thirty-one men, five Hotchkiss machineguns, two halftracks and one motorcycle combination. The mortar group was made up of seven men and one 60mm mortar in one P 19 halftrack and one motorcycle combination.
The heavy weapons (mitrailleuses et engins d'accompagnement) squadron had one command platoon of forty-one men, two MG platoons, one 81mm mortar platoon and two 25mm anti-tank groups .
Each machinegun platoon was organised into one command goup and two machinegun groups. The command group was made up of one officer and seven men carried with one Citroën P 19 halftrack (mounting a machine gun for AA use) and one motorcycle combination. Each machinegun group had two Hotchkiss Mle 1914 MGs, twelve men and two halftracks.
The mortar platoon was likewise organised into one command goup of nine men, one halftrack, one solo motorcycle and one motorcycle combination and two mortar groups. Each mortar group had two Brandt Mle 1927/31 81mm mortars and twelve men carried by two halftracks.
Finally, each anti-tank group had one command goup of five men, one halftrack, one solo motorcycle and one motorcycle combination and two Hotchkiss Mle 1934 25mm anti-tank guns. Each of the guns was crewed by seven men plus two drivers and a motorcycle dispatch rider. Initially, the anti-tank guns were towed by a specific version of the Citroën-Kégresse, the P 19BT tractor which had a slower speed of 32 km/h (9), but in 1937 the 3e BDP developed a method for carrying the guns on their halftracks. These canons portés (later adopted by the British as portee guns) proved altogether more satisfactory since they could keep up with the rest of the unit while being able to fire from the vehicles. As a result, each gun was mounted, facing forward, on a modified Citroën-Kégresse P 19 which also carried the gun commander, the firer and loader besides the driver. The ammunition and its four bearers were carried by a second halftrack. Given the shortage of halftracks, the second battalion's AT guns were most probably towed instead.

http://france1940.free.fr/armee/dlc.html