От Алексей
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Дата 28.05.2002 19:17:29
Рубрики Современность; Спецслужбы; Локальные конфликты; Политек;

Про врага, который не дремлет (Echelon-II)

"The report of the European Parliament firmly establishes that Echelon is a global surveillance system which intercepts private and commercial
communication and that it is led by the US in concert with Great Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand as second partners. But the Parliament is
not totally sure the system is named Echelon."

Bruce McIndoe laughs dryly and somewhat indulgently about the thought of our silly European politicians. IJet Travel Intelligence's website proudly, and with
surprising candour, mentions McIndoe's contribution to making Echelon II. The website states that: 'Bruce was one of the lead architects for the National Security
Agency's Echelon II program, identified as one of the most productive intelligence programs in the agency's history.'

LISTENING IN ON EVERYTHING

"On the whole, it doesn't take long to verify the existence of Echelon if you look at the US Defence Department's budgets. And besides, code names are usually not
classified as top secret. This practice enables people in the right circles to refer to the program, yet without revealing its capacity or how it operates."

"So you are the person who can document that you have made Echelon II?"

"Yes, that's for sure. I can even do so without revealing any secrets. Echelon II is the successor, so to speak, of the original Echelon system."

"Can you tell us whether it is used to monitor all types of communication?"

"No system of such enormous magnitude would only be used for a single purpose. They use it for everything they can, if they feel it's necessary. Whenever they need
to exploit its potential, they do it."

Bruce takes a little breather while he considers whether he has said too much:

"But it doesn't mean they're a bunch of wild cowboys. There are rules, you know, that stipulate what they are allowed to monitor, and they definitely don't ignore the
laws of any individual countries. Not American laws either. This poses somewhat of a challenge, of course, but after they get a court order, they can do just about
anything they please," explains McIndoe, who emphasizes that he is no expert in these matters.

In 1998, Computer Science Corporation took over Bruce McIndoe's company - and with that the Echelon contract with the National Security Agency. Shortly
afterwards, Bruce McIndoe co-founded the company he now works for. A company where he makes great use of his experience from working with the largest
espionage system in the world.

AUTOMATIC TRANSLATION

"Tell us something about the company you work for now."

"Okay. In short, we have transferred everything I did for the NSA and other services to a private company that then sells intelligence to businesspersons. We get
information on everything from local diseases, outbreaks of malaria epidemics and local unrest to strikes, the weather and traffic conditions. Our customers are large
multinational companies like Prudential and Texas Instruments. We also work for institutions like the World Bank and the IMF."

"Your offices resemble a command post at the NSA's Fort Meade headquarters?"

"Yes, exactly. Our staff are also former intelligent agents who have either developed or run espionage operations for US intelligence agencies or people from the UK,
South Africa and Russia."

"How does the NSA feel about the fact you're applying the same technology in the private sector?"

"A lot of the technology developed at the NSA will sooner or later find its way into civilian life. Things like word spotting, automatic translation, language recognition
and so on. But since we don't try to hide our work and primarily use open sources, the NSA doesn't complain."

Yet the architect for Echelon II indirectly reveals some secrets to us. One of the ways Echelon works is by using words and voice recognition, as well as automatic
translation.

От Venik
К Алексей (28.05.2002 19:17:29)
Дата 28.05.2002 19:41:10

а что у вас? :)

Мое почтение!

Меня давно интересует вот такой вопрос: в США, например, государственные агенства информируют корпорации о необходимых мерах безопасности систем связи. Ежегодно публикуются обзоры рекомендуемых мер для американских бизнесов по защите от электронного шпионажа.

Существует-ли нечто подобное в РФ? Публикует-ли нечто в этом роде, скажем, ФСБ или ФАПСИ?

С уважением, Venik
От Алексей
К Venik (28.05.2002 19:41:10)
Дата 28.05.2002 21:11:12

Re: а что...


>Мое почтение!

Добрый день,



>Меня давно интересует вот такой вопрос: в США, например, государственные агенства информируют корпорации о необходимых мерах безопасности систем связи. Ежегодно публикуются обзоры рекомендуемых мер для американских бизнесов по защите от электронного шпионажа.


Точными сведениями не располагаю, но, думается, что оставшийся костяк предприятий МО обслуживается аналогично. Довольно много инфы проходит про "заинтересованное крышевание" личных фирмочек (типа рогов и копыт, созданных для себя-родимого), но проверить эти данные практически нет возможности в силу естественно замкнуто-мафиозного характера оных (мое мнение).

Зато вот месяца 3-5 тому назад чуть было не упал со стула во время завтрака, когда услышал обьявление по радие о том, что " .... министерство иностранных дел РФ не рекомендует гражданам страны отправляться в оптуск в страну племени Биндибу, всвязи с невозможности предоставления гарантий защиты ввиду нестабильности и пр. пр. пр. пр....."
(Хохотал до слез).



>Существует-ли нечто подобное в РФ? Публикует-ли нечто в этом роде, скажем, ФСБ или ФАПСИ?

>С уважением, Venik
От Cliver
К Алексей (28.05.2002 21:11:12)
Дата 28.05.2002 22:37:14

Я знаю точно.

День добре!


Во всех инстанциях МО пока действует инструкция ЗАПРЕЩАЮЩАЯ использование интернета. Других пока нет. А на эту уже все чихали...