От	ZULU
К	Observer
Дата	25.03.2002 16:33:53
Рубрики	Армия; ВВС;

Благодарствую. А что там насчет финнов???

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Веник, спасибо большое. Займусь штудированием. Дело в том, что сейчес в Литве идет подковерная борьба за результат тендера на закупку ПЗРК - "Стингер" или "Мистраль".

МО нажимает на "Стингеры", которые собираеться покупать напрямую, без посредников.

Посредники и лоббисты, в свою очередь, тихо пропихивает "Мистрали" или что нибудь другое, лищ бы не "Стингеры".

В качестве аргумента в подковерных спорах используеться резyльтаты тендера на ПТРК (победил "Джевелин").

Утверждают, что, дескат, МО переплатил, к тому же, умные финны "Спайк" взяли. А я пытаюсь разобраться, кому по башkе навалять ;-))).

С уважением

ЗУЛУ

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От	Observer
К	ZULU (25.03.2002 16:33:53)
Дата	25.03.2002 16:46:56

Вы правы!

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>Веник, спасибо большое. Займусь штудированием. Дело в том, что сейчес в Литве идет подковерная борьба за результат тендера на закупку ПЗРК - "Стингер" или "Мистраль".

>МО нажимает на "Стингеры", которые собираеться покупать напрямую, без посредников.

>Посредники и лоббисты, в свою очередь, тихо пропихивает "Мистрали" или что нибудь другое, лищ бы не "Стингеры".

>В качестве аргумента в подковерных спорах используеться резыльтаты тендера на ПТРК (победил "Джевелин").

>Утверждают, что, дескат, МО переплатил, к тому же, умные финны "Спайк" взяли. А я пытаюсь разобраться, кому по башке навалять ;-))).

>С уважением

>ЗУЛУ

Вы правы! Ошибся.
Джавелин был лучшим по результатам стрельб. В сумме же проиграл.

Финны теситровали Билль-2, ТРИГАТ, Гиль/Спайк и Джавелин 7-19 Февраля 1999.
Они выбирали ПТРК на дистанции до 2,500 м.

Решение было принято в Мае 2000. Победитель: Евро-Спайк.

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От	Venik
К	ZULU (25.03.2002 16:33:53)
Дата	25.03.2002 16:41:19

насчет финнов

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Мое почтение!

Date Posted: 07 February 2001


Jane's World Armies 09

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Procurement Detail
General
The Finnish Army has recently acquired considerable weaponry and ammunition from Germany; most brigades are in good condition. What they lack is command and control systems and operational mobility, both areas that are receiving considerable current attention. Major investments will be made in these areas in the next five years, and also in electronic warfare and night-fighting capabilities. After the final air force Hornet delivery (and payment) in 2001, these areas will be the target of considerable investment.

The Chief of the Defence Staff, has expressed a desire for more helicopters. He asserts, "Finland, with its vast expanses of water and dense forests, is a place for helicopters not for tanks, so I would hope that we could increase our current fleet from under 10 to 20 or 30. We must, however, concentrate on being strong in certain key areas, as we cannot afford to buy equipment evenly across the board and will always have well-equipped and less well-equipped units. In future, our key area will be electronic warfare and, if we fail in that, we may fail in other things too."

GH 52 155 mm artillery purchase
The Finnish Defence Forces cancelled a planned FMk1 billion (US$145 million) order for a self-propelled artillery system from Patria Vammas of Finland in November 2000 and instead ordered nine towed 155mm GH 52 field guns for the army's high-readiness brigades. The latter contract to Patria is valued at FMk 40 million to 50 million.

The army, together with Patria Vammas as designated prime contractor, recently tested the German Krauss-Maffei Wegmann 155mm/52-cal tracked PzH 2000, the Slovakian 155mm/45-cal 8 Ч 8 Zuzana and the BAE Systems, Land and Naval Systems 155mm/52-cal tracked AS90 Braveheart in northern Finland.

Finland selects CV 9030 IFV
The Finnish government approved the Finnish Army's proposed US$176.2 million purchase of 57 CV 9030 infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs) from Patria Hдgglunds Oy in November 2000. The CV 9030 was one of four vehicles shortlisted to meet the army's requirement for 150 to 170 IFVs for its rapid reaction brigades.

Finland's Patria Industries will produce the 30mm armed turrets while Sweden's Hдgglunds Vehicle will be responsible for manufacturing the chassis and systems integration of the vehicles. Patria will conduct around 55 per cent of the total programme work. The IFVs are scheduled for delivery between 2002 and 2005.

Finland is the fourth country to order a derivative of the baseline CV 90 design. Norway, Sweden and Switzerland have already placed orders for more than 850 examples.

Advanced Mortar System
In October 2000 the Finnish Defence Forces received the first AMOS (Advanced Mortar System) FIN self-propelled twin-barrel 120mm mortar system from the Finnish-Swedish venture Patria Hдgglunds. Patria Vammas of Finland has developed the mortars and loading system, and Hдgglunds Vehicle of Sweden has carried out the turret design and systems integration. For Finland, the turret has been integrated on to a Patria wheeled Pasi XA-203 carrier (pictured).

The army will conduct a comprehensive test and manoeuvre programme on the system with the aim of putting it into use with the rapid reaction brigades, which are to be fielded in 2005-06. The headquarters of the Finnish Defence Forces will be responsible for the programme, which will continue until April 2001.

Pasi armoured fighting vehicles
Patria Vehicles will supply 48 Pasi wheeled armoured fighting vehicles for use by the Finnish Defence Forces' Pori Readiness Brigade under a contract worth US$34.5 million announced in October 2000. Most will be delivered in 2001.

The XA-200 is the latest production version of the Patria Vehicles XA series of 6 Ч 6 APC and will be the basis for all future production.

Spike ATGW
In May 2000 the Finnish Army selected the Israeli RAFAEL Armament Development Authority Spike system to meet its requirement for a medium-range anti-tank guided weapon (ATGW) system to equip its high-readiness brigades.

It is the first export success in Europe for the new Israeli ATGW. Detailed negotiations will now commence between Finland and STN ATLAS Elektronik to finalise the contract that is expected to be worth FMk200 million (US$30.6 million). No details of the number of weapons to be ordered have been released. Finnish industry will take part in the programme as part of the offset and this is expected to include Patria Finavitec.

The Spike bid was submitted by the German Euro-Spike consortium headed by STN ATLAS Elektronik and its parent company of Rheinmetall DeTec teamed with Diehl Stiftung & Company, Ammunition Division, and with the assistance of the RAFAEL Armament Development Authority. Five ATGWs were evaluated in combined Finnish/Norwegian army user trials in 1999. These were the Swedish Bofors Missiles BILL 2, Euromissile Dynamics Group TRIGAT Medium Range (TRIGAT-MR), Euromissile MILAN 3, US Lockheed Martin/Raytheon Systems Javelin and the Spike.

Armour upgrades
Rather than purchase new tanks, Finland instituted a programme to update existing T-55 MBTs to T-55M standard in early 1995. The T-55M incorporates a range of improvements, from a new gunner's sight with a laser range-finder to new smoke grenade dischargers. Side skirts are added, a new NSV machine gun is mounted on the turret and extra stowage is provided on the turret sides.

Russian SAM Delivery
During February 1997, Russia delivered the first battalion of 9K37 Buk-1M (NATO SA-11 `Gadfly') low- to high-altitude self-propelled surface-to-air missile systems to the Finnish armed forces. The equipment is being delivered in part payment for the FMk5.5 billion (US$1.6 billion) debt which Russia owes Finland. The two governments have agreed that FMk1 billion will be paid by the transfer of defence equipment. Russia plans to deliver equipment for another two battalions in late 1997. The SA-11 will replace the SA-3 currently deployed around the Helsinki area.

Increased Mineclearing Capabilities
The Finnish MoD ordered 10 Patria Oy RA-140 DS 4 Ч 4/3850 mineclearing vehicles from Finnish manufacturer Patria Oy in January 1997. This is part of an option to buy 20 vehicles, six of which have already been acquired. They will be used for training and on international peacekeeping duties.

Finnish-Swedish Helicopter Plans
Finnish Chief of Defence General Gustav Hдgglund has confirmed his support for the possible joint procurement of helicopters with Sweden. He said that as Sweden would also be in the market for helicopters after 2000, it could be a fruitful method of co-operation.

A Finnish government committee report on helicopter procurement, published in March 1997, found that about 50 aircraft would be needed between 2000 and 2004. A sum of FMk3 billion to 4 billion (US$600 billion to US$800 billion) would be allocated to the purchase. Finland would be in the market for a combination of transport and attack helicopters or a multipurpose type. The report emphasised the need for more Finnish-Swedish security co-operation.

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BRIEFS - Javelin support contract awarded
The US Army Aviation and Missile Command, Redstone Arsenal, Alabama, has awarded Raytheon Lockheed Martin Javelin Joint Venture a US$7.58 million modification to existing contract DAAH01-01-C-0095 for interim contract support for Javelin missile systems. This work will be carried out in Tucson, Arizona, (65%), and Orlando, Florida (35%), and is expected to be completed by 30 June 2003.


С уважением, Venik

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От	ZULU
К	Venik (25.03.2002 16:41:19)
Дата	25.03.2002 17:08:55

Правильно ли я понимаю,

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>Финниш индустры вилл таке парт ин тхе программе ас парт оф тхе оффсет анд тхис ис еxпецтед то инцлуде Патриа Финавитец.

что финны выбрали "Спайк" потому, что получили предложение производителя принят участие в программе и (или) что страна - продавец тоже у них что то купит??

С уважрнием

ЗУЛУ

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От	Observer
К	ZULU (25.03.2002 17:08:55)
Дата	25.03.2002 17:19:31

Ре: Правильно ли...

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>>Финниш индустры вилл таке парт ин тхе программе ас парт оф тхе оффсет анд тхис ис еxпецтед то инцлуде Патриа Финавитец.
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>что финны выбрали "Спайк" потому, что получили предложение производителя принят участие в программе и (или) что страна - продавец тоже у них что то купит??

>С уважрнием

>ЗУЛУ

На этот раз проверился!
Действительно в контракте содержится обьязательcтво промышленного сотрудничества германских предприятий (не указаны) с "Patria Finavitec"

Источник: "Ruotuvдki" 10/2000 18.5.2000

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От	Observer
К	Observer (25.03.2002 17:19:31)
Дата	25.03.2002 17:29:39

Источник - Финская армейская газета. (-)

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От	ZULU
К	Observer (25.03.2002 17:29:39)
Дата	25.03.2002 18:02:33

Еще раз спасибо и еще вопросик

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А эта финская военная газета, она что - по аглицки? Может в сети есть?

С уважением



ЗУЛУ

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От	Observer
К	ZULU (25.03.2002 18:02:33)
Дата	25.03.2002 18:05:55

К сожалению нет. Вот она: http://www.mil.fi/ruotuvaki/ (-)

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От	Vadim
К	Observer (25.03.2002 18:05:55)
Дата	25.03.2002 19:56:17

Ре: К сожалению...

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Вопрос - это как понимать?

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Defence Systems Daily
Last Updated: 5 February 2002
Western European Ownership Jigsaw

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UK Light Forces Anti-Tank Guided Weapon Requirement,

Competing Teams:

Javelin Team

Lockheed Martin (US)
Raytheon (US)

Gil Spike Team

MBDA (France/UK/Italy)
Rafael Armaments Authority (Israel)

http://defence-data.com/current/pagerip1.htm
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Каким образом в "команде" "Спайка" отсутствует Германия, и что там делает, к примеру, Франция?

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От	Stalker
К	Vadim (25.03.2002 19:56:17)
Дата	25.03.2002 23:38:58

Евроспайк

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Здравствуйте

>Gil Spike Team

>MBDA (France/UK/Italy)
>Rafael Armaments Authority (Israel)

> http://defence-data.com/current/pagerip1.htm
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>Каким образом в "команде" "Спайка" отсутствует Германия, и что там делает, к примеру, Франция?

Представляет собой Рафаэлевский "Спайк", производимый в Германии. Именно с прицелом на продажу в Европе. И так-же взаимозаменим с "Гилем" - разница только в наведении - у "Спайка" по оптоволокну, а у "Гиля" - комбинированное, оптическое или ИК

С уважением

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